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High School Boys 2011

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Postby Posh » Sun Nov 20, 2011 12:09 am

give and go wrote:Desmet wins State. nice to be able to watch it on-line. Priory caps off undefeated year against Trinity.


Congrats to DeSmet and coach Vitello. Im sure he can rest easy after this one.
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Postby TheLink » Sun Nov 20, 2011 3:23 pm

GREAT Job Desmet and Priory! STL is proud of you! too bad it was in in KC but none the less, quite an accomplishment.


Missouri boys soccer 2011 playoff brackets:

CLASS 3

SECTIONALS

• DeSmet (22-4-1) def. Jackson (16-6), 3-0

• Francis Howell (21-4) def. Chaminade (18-6-3), 1-0

• Lee's Summit West (23-6) def. Lee's Summit North (19-4), 2-1

• Park Hill (15-11) def. Liberty (14-12-1), 1-0

• Francis Howell Central (18-7-3) def. Hazelwood West (20-8), 1-0 (penalty kicks)

• Oakville (19-7-1) def. Summit (22-6), 3-1

• Rock Bridge (26-3) def. Rolla (19-9), 3-0

• Nixa (24-3) def. Carthage (18-7), 2-1 (2 OT)

QUARTERFINALS

• DeSmet (23-4-1) def. Francis Howell (21-5), 1-0

• Lee's Summit West (24-6) def. Park Hill (15-12), 1-0

• Oakville (20-7-1) def. Francis Howell Central (18-8-3), 1-0

• Rock Bridge (27-3) def. Nixa (24-4), 2-0

FINAL FOUR

(semifinals at Blue Springs South High)

• DeSmet (24-4-1) def. Lee's Summit West (24-7), 2-1 (2 OT)

• Oakville (21-7-1) def. Rock Bridge (27-4), 1-0 (penalty kicks)

• Third place: Rock Bridge (28-4) def. Lee's Summit West (24-8), 1-0

• Championship: DeSmet (25-4-1) def. Oakville (21-8-1), 2-0

CLASS 2

SECTIONALS

• Sikeston (20-4) def. Farmington (16-6), 4-3

• Trinity (19-6) def. Lutheran South (16-9-2), 3-1

• Oak Grove (14-9) def. KC Northeast (24-3-1), 3-1

• Smithville (22-5) def. St. Joseph Lafayette (10-14), 3-0

• Priory (24-0) def. Borgia (16-6), 4-1

• St. Dominic (17-9-1) def. Moberly (19-8), 2-0

• Bolivar (18-7) def. Cassville (9-15), 4-0

• Helias (18-6-2) def. Warrensburg (20-5-1), 1-0

QUARTERFINALS

• Trinity (20-6) def. Sikeston (20-5), 1-0

• Smithville (23-5) def. Oak Grove (14-10), 4-0

• Priory (25-0) def. St. Dominic (17-10-1), 2-0

• Helias (19-6-2) def. Bolivar (18-7), 2-0

FINAL FOUR

(semifinals at Blue Springs South High)

• Trinity def. Smithville, 1-0

• Priory def. Helias, 1-0

• Third place: Smithville (23-6) def. Helias (19-7-2), 3-1

• Championship: Priory (27-0) def. Trinity (21-7), 2-0
CLASS 1

SECTIONALS

• St. Pius X (21-4-1) def. Bayless (21-5-1), 2-1

• Crossroads (12-6) def. John Burroughs (15-9), 1-0

• St. Paul Lutheran (22-2) def. Barstow (10-15), 2-1

• Pembroke Hill (11-15) def. KC St. Pius X (13-13-1), 5-0

• Kennedy (15-8-1) def. O'Fallon Christian (15-7), 1-0

• Fatima (14-12) def. Canton (6-10), 3-0

• Springfield Catholic (26-0-1) def. Crocker (15-12), 8-0

• Southern Boone (25-2) def. Sacred Heart (18-8), 1-0 (OT)

QUARTERFINALS

• St. Pius X (22-4-1) def. Crossroads (12-7), 1-0

• Pembroke Hill (12-15) def. St. Paul Lutheran (22-3), 1-0

• Fatima (15-12) def. Kennedy (15-9-1), 2-1

• Springfield Catholic (27-0-1) def. Southern Boone (25-3), 3-0

FINAL FOUR

(semifinals at Blue Springs High)

• Pembroke Hill def. St. Pius X, 3-0

• Springfield Catholic def. Fatima, 4-0

• Third place: St. Pius X (22-5-1) def. Fatima (12-16), 2-0

• Championship: Springfield Catholic (29-0-1) def. Pembroke Hill (13-16), 1-0
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Postby Larry » Sun Nov 20, 2011 3:31 pm

Desmet was class all year. The two Gallagher boys in Hail and Berra ran the show. Also hats off to Coach Morman for leading Priory to an undefeated season and again lead by Gallagher players! Too bad next year will not feature top Gallagher boys but I guess it is what it is!
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Postby Kickster » Sun Nov 20, 2011 5:50 pm

Larry wrote:Desmet was class all year. The two Gallagher boys in Hail and Berra ran the show. Also hats off to Coach Morman for leading Priory to an undefeated season and again lead by Gallagher players! Too bad next year will not feature top Gallagher boys but I guess it is what it is!


I am not sure too many of the top Gallagher guys will give up high school soccer. I predict that (1) the top MCC guys will play high school, (2) 2nd tier MCC guys may give us high school b/c they may feel they have been "wronged" for some reason by their high school coach b/c they were not treated like rock stars (3) the top public school guys will probably give up high school soccer.

Trust me - I am a Gallagher guy through and through (I worship at the altar of T. Howe, etc.) but high school soccer for many of the top players is a life-long special experience.
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Postby umslalum » Sun Nov 20, 2011 6:10 pm

Here's what I think will happen with USDA players. The top players will play their freshman, sophomore and junior years with USDA and miss high school. By that time you will see the top players will have their scholarships.

With scholarships locked up, they will come back and play their senior year in high school. Some coaches will welcome them to the team and others may say no, you should have played here all 4 years.

Just my opinion. Your thoughts.
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Postby chuck44 » Sun Nov 20, 2011 7:46 pm

This will be a great psychological experiment. I think it will be done on an individual basis. I also think kids who have enjoyed playing hs so far will have difficulty walking away. I'm interested if as someone suggested if 8th graders will go usda until they sign, and then jump into hs. It will make hs incredibly unpredictable. All I know is that I wish it wasn't coming to this. Playing hs soccer was an awful lot of fun for me and everyone else I know who had the experience. If my kid ever gets in the situation I'm not sure what sort of advice I would give him, again it is probably case by case. The evolution of club soccer has been dramatic, and will continue to be so. Another thing that may be interesting to watch is what happens to good young hs coaches? Do they leave the field and go into club coaching? Many of our best hs coaches have just a few years left, but what about the solid young coaches? Their are some good ones out their and I wonder if the field gets dilluted if they will stay. As an educator I also wonder if this could possibly be a good thing where schools just worry about educating kids not developing them physically? This could be an incredible shift.
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Postby overtime » Sun Nov 20, 2011 9:52 pm

Larry wrote:Desmet was class all year. The two Gallagher boys in Hail and Berra ran the show. Also hats off to Coach Morman for leading Priory to an undefeated season and again lead by Gallagher players! Too bad next year will not feature top Gallagher boys but I guess it is what it is!

I would also include Prince Kabadeh to those two with 22 Goals and guess what he plays club for a independent team :shock: He also scored the winner in OT the night before to send them to the Finals.
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Postby Posh » Sun Nov 20, 2011 10:44 pm

Larry wrote:Desmet was class all year. The two Gallagher boys in Hail and Berra ran the show. Also hats off to Coach Morman for leading Priory to an undefeated season and again lead by Gallagher players! Too bad next year will not feature top Gallagher boys but I guess it is what it is!


Please refrain from referring to any of these players are "Gallagher" players....makes me want to puke.

All good players, but there were good players from other clubs that helped each team, as well.
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Postby Posh » Sun Nov 20, 2011 10:44 pm

Posh wrote:
Larry wrote:Desmet was class all year. The two Gallagher boys in Hail and Berra ran the show. Also hats off to Coach Morman for leading Priory to an undefeated season and again lead by Gallagher players! Too bad next year will not feature top Gallagher boys but I guess it is what it is!


Please refrain from referring to any of these players are "Gallagher" players....makes me want to puke.

All good players, but there were good players from other clubs that helped each team, as well.


....as Gallagher players
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Postby George » Mon Nov 21, 2011 1:48 am

well if Gallagher trains them from age 8 to 18, 9 months out of the year then why not call them Gallagher players. The Prince kid is a Gallagher trained kid too. Not sure he plays SLSG now but I know he came up in the Gallagher system.

this will be interesting to see how many Gallagher kids skip but MHSSA really messed up by killing the thrill of the crowd by not only putting these games in KC but putting it at a High School field!

These games deserve St. Louis at a nice stadium. The soccer park is perfect.

MHSSA is a joke! this year at least!
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Postby chuck44 » Mon Nov 21, 2011 8:39 am

That's rich. Saying these kids will forego the hs experience all because mshsaa moved the state finals for 3 years. Why dont we wait and ask the kids from Desmet and Priory if they feel cheated by having won titles in Blue Springs instead of Fenton? Do people really feel like the Soccer Park is a state of the art facility today?
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Postby John Smith Jr. » Mon Nov 21, 2011 9:09 am

Was in KC. I am pretty sure that the kids did not care a bit, as they won in front of their family and friends. There were some additional benefits for kids and family from "road trip" atmosphere. There was nothing to complain about in regard to the field/facilities.

The downside was that the local KC fans did not support the event in terms of attendance.

At the end of the day, the kids would have probably enjoyed a game in St. Louis more, but they were generally oblivious to the issue and had a memorable experience...end of story.
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Postby CaptKup4 » Mon Nov 21, 2011 12:12 pm

Back to the same USDA vs HS again. I will say it again, it is an individual decision to be made by only those few kids involved. If my kid were in that position, I'd make sure he had as much information about the positives and negatives for each side and then let him make the decision. How are these kids going to learn to make the real decisions in their life if they can't make a simple soccer decision in high school. Look at this as a life lesson and a learning experience. Neither decision can possibly be wrong, as a lesson can be learned by going either direction.

Bottom line, my loyalty lies with teaching my kid to be an adult and not with some youth soccer club or high school sports program.
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Postby stinkyshinpads » Mon Nov 21, 2011 10:20 pm

George wrote:well if Gallagher trains them from age 8 to 18, 9 months out of the year then why not call them Gallagher players. The Prince kid is a Gallagher trained kid too. Not sure he plays SLSG now but I know he came up in the Gallagher system.

this will be interesting to see how many Gallagher kids skip but MHSSA really messed up by killing the thrill of the crowd by not only putting these games in KC but putting it at a High School field!

These games deserve St. Louis at a nice stadium. The soccer park is perfect.

MHSSA is a joke! this year at least!

George I am going to have to call you out on this. Prince Kabadeh came to St.Louis in 7th grade. I know this cause he was in my daughters class at St.Joan of Arc, Then played for IMO'S Coached by Terry Pimmel. In 8th grade he went back to his hometown. Came back to St.Louis Freshman year and until this day I think he still plays for Imos. I know he did not come up through the Gallager system. Also Joe Rund(has started at SLUH since Freshman year) was also in my daughters class and also played for IMO'S for years until last season he went to SLSG
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Postby Larry » Mon Nov 21, 2011 10:31 pm

chuck44 wrote:That's rich. Saying these kids will forego the hs experience all because mshsaa moved the state finals for 3 years. Why dont we wait and ask the kids from Desmet and Priory if they feel cheated by having won titles in Blue Springs instead of Fenton? Do people really feel like the Soccer Park is a state of the art facility today?


state of the art = NO
classic - nostalgic - nice - quality - holds 5000+ - first class = YES
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Postby chuck44 » Tue Nov 22, 2011 5:33 am

Hey guess what? The coaches who went to Blue Springs for the final 4 thought it was a great experience for their kids. If you dont believe me, ask them. IF the coaches thought the change in venue was a success this situation is not going to change.
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Postby George » Tue Nov 22, 2011 8:49 am

I was there and I thought it was terrible! my kid won in front of 50 people instead of 3000 as in the past. they even split the venues up so they weren't all at the spot!
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Postby Kickster » Tue Nov 22, 2011 10:22 am

I watched the final on the internet feed via FS Midwest.

The sidelines of the football field were right up against a track. The corner kicks were virtually on the track.

The football field markings were real memorable.

I saw two groups of fans on those huge bleachers that were 80% empty. Maybe a few hundred total.
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Postby no buddy » Tue Nov 22, 2011 10:34 am

You wouldn't have the girls softball State Championship played on a baseball field with the bases moved in and the mound in the middle of the infield with a temp fence just behind the infield dirt. Why play a State Championship soccer game on a football field? Rockhurst Univ. not available? UMKC not available? The kids don't care and the coaches say they don't care but it shows the second class mentality that MSHSAA has for the sport of soccer. Anyone who's ever talked to Kevin Gardner will tell you he's a doofus.
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Postby chuck44 » Tue Nov 22, 2011 11:18 am

Coaches and players didn't mind. They didn't play the football lines. The track and turf are on the same level, still very easy to hit a quality serve. (Not like the old CBC curb.) They didn't have it at UMKC or any of those other venues because they didn't put in a bid. Blue Springs gave MSHSAA a great deal, the players were treated well, the stadium could handle the crowd. If Rockhurst would have been in the final it would have been packed, but they got eliminated. The basic soccer argument you have all put out there revolves around more old men watching the game, real grass, and no football lines. Kids and coaches have moved on. Moving in the bases completely changes a baseball game. Turf does not. Kids play on it all the time. Priory has a home field with grass, won the title. Desmet has a home field with turf, won the title. WHy? They were the best teams. I would also point out that on a number of occassions because of rain the state finals were played on the awful turf of the soccer park.
The games were good ones. STL teams fared well, said they were treated well, not sure what the problem is? Some fans hated watching it on the internet?
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