CYC City/County

[50/50ball]

I'd like to add something which a lot of people don't know:
Back in the mid-70's, players from "outside" a CYC district could NOT play on a team outside their district. This created a situation where the top players (boys in those days), if they WANTED to play with their friends/others could not do so(if it meant crossing "CYC boundaries"..... that's what led to the start of SLYSA in 1975.

The CYC commissioner at the time (Joe Carenza) STRONGLY opposed the creation of a USSF "Select Boys" league because, obviously, it would start restricting his control of soccer in our area. So he put the SLYSA founders, Don Aubuchon and Britt Murray and three others, on "PROBATION"....but USSF basically said: "you can't do that" ... and SLYSA started with 6 teams at U18 in the fall of 1975 and (I'm not 100% sure, but) 6 teams at U16...no younger ones ... NO girls...all that came later.

A lawyer from the East side was involved as well: Bob Hess. HE was the one that drafted the SLYSA bylaws and ALSO the document which eventually led to the creation of Soccer Park. It wasn't AB or Denny Long (heck, when SLYSA with the vision of "some day, we'll have a soccer park" Denny hadn't even coaching yet)....

I could tell you a lot more about the history of all this, but I'll leave it go at this....maybe you have your own contribution...

And your POINT would be???????

[gatewayMS]

Keep in mind that in the late 60's early 70's your friends lived in the same district you did so it didn't really matter, there was no internet, kids didn't gather at Malls, Lindberg was the dividing line in the late 60's between the burbs and nothing, Ballwin Manchester, Eureka, Arnold, St.Charles, Creve Couer, Oakville, and Fenton was still mostly farmland or woods! Mid 60's Hwy 55 stopped at Meremac Bottoms Rd., the rich lived in Ladue, the Middle Class were moving to Mehlville, Kirkwood, Florisant, and Hazelwood, Public HS soccer was poor, a parish team in the CYC would destroy any of them, almost all the good teams and players were from CAC or Private Catholic schools(except for a pretty good Lutheran kid, Al Trost) and came through the CYC system, so of course the head of the CYC would try to protect it.
The Busch league was also playing and most of the teams were named ST. Something or the other, and it was a hell of a league. The other league had Kutis, Polish National Alliance, 7-up, Pepsi, Budwiser etc. and was pretty d@m good too, look at the history of National Champs before and after SLYSA, a 25 year history of championships lasted less than a decade when everyone started to spread out.

[practicehard]

Keep in mind that in the late 60's early 70's your friends lived in the same district you did so it didn't really matter, there was no internet, kids didn't gather at Malls, Lindberg was the dividing line in the late 60's between the burbs and nothing, Ballwin Manchester, Eureka, Arnold, St.Charles, Creve Couer, Oakville, and Fenton was still mostly farmland or woods! Mid 60's Hwy 55 stopped at Meremac Bottoms Rd., the rich lived in Ladue, the Middle Class were moving to Mehlville, Kirkwood, Florisant, and Hazelwood, Public HS soccer was poor, a parish team in the CYC would destroy any of them, almost all the good teams and players were from CAC or Private Catholic schools(except for a pretty good Lutheran kid, Al Trost) and came through the CYC system, so of course the head of the CYC would try to protect it.
The Busch league was also playing and most of the teams were named ST. Something or the other, and it was a hell of a league. The other league had Kutis, Polish National Alliance, 7-up, Pepsi, Budwiser etc. and was pretty d@m good too, look at the history of National Champs before and after SLYSA, a 25 year history of championships lasted less than a decade when everyone started to spread out.

What is this a HISTORY lesson

[practicehard]

I just noticed St. Sabina ran over the field again for another city championship, what a surprise, not only can they win state cup, they can still beat up rec teams in their spare time. I could see keeping the run going through grade school, but come on!

Congrats St. Sabina. Thanks for the advertisement "onewayMS"
Nobody probably would have not even known they were still playing together if it was not for your post

[gatewayMS]

Thats the purpose of a web forum, INFORMATION.
onewayMS, thats a good one, so cute, do you come up with this stuff yourself or did you hire someone.

[philly4]

hey gatewayms, there is another group of girls from st sabina who are going into 4th grade now who if they stick together have a good chance of winning multiple city/county championships. so now you have something to complain about for many more years to come. good luck on your conspiracy theory for them too.

[philly4]

hey gatewayms, there is another group of girls from st sabina who are going into 4th grade next year who if they stick together have a good chance of winning multiple city/county championships. so now you have something to complain about for many more years to come. good luck on your conspiracy theory for them too.

[BUSG]

I heard St. Sabina was closing after this year

[philly4]

just the school is

[50/50ball]

I see your making more friends gatewayMS.

[WC Fan]

Gargamel wrote "I think you will find that the core group of girls that
won the past 4 titles all started with St. Sabina in 1st grade. That
includes the girls who have won the past 3 softball titltes and were
runner up in basketball 2 years ago. My point is that there is no
recruiting going on, nor has there ever been. They did do it the right
way. "

I guess the key part of this statement was started together. The hidden meaning is they are no longer in the same parish boundaries but still play
together.

[WC Fan]

Yet another school were most of the players were from other parishes
with the best b-ball player from St.Francis of Assisi.

Practicehard provides misinformation once again. Before I responded I
checked my facts with a friend on the athletic committee at SMMA and
there was only one player from outside the parish who played on any of
the championship teams. Unlike St, Sabina they started and finished wthin the parish boundaries. That one player who only participated in basketball resides about a block outside of the parish boundaries and didn't play at her parish because they didn't have an open team for her to play on. I know for a fact her previous coach wanted her to play somewhere else so his team could play closed.

[keepersrule]

maybe i'm mistaken, but it was my understanding that participants of a given CYC team had to be within the parish boundaries, or if outside the boundaries, the family practiced their catholic faith at the stated parish - period. the only exception was if a neighboring parish in which the child resides did not have a CYC team on which the child could play, including allowing the child to play up or down a year to fill out the roster. of course, once the "out of parish" child is on the roster, he/she can continue throughout their playing years.

one problem w/this is that a saavy coach sometimes can manipulate the system at the early ages to assemble a "ringer team" outside the program, and then bring them into the program as a team, skirting the "blind draw" system that's in place at many schools.

in our program at my D's age group, there 2 teams. unfortunately, only 2 girls out of the entire program play club soccer. as such, both teams are very weak. i think in all 7 years that she's played so far, they've won or been competitive in maybe 10-12 games (1-2 games/yr). she enjoys playing w/her schoolmates, but admits that it's pretty painful to know that you're always going to be humiliated. the first couple of years parents would hang around after games and enjoy a cold one at the concession stand, but anymore it's "poof" gone as soon as the game is over. sort of sad.

while one cannot dictate how many club players participate in a CYC program, it would seem that there s/b a way to make for better parity, especially since the intent of CYC is more recreational in nature. of course, it would require a huge undertaking and a lot of resources to enforce team formation guidelines archdiocese-wide.

[overath]

all of this for a CYC trophy for precious .....once again, more as to why the CYC has lost its original vision and intent!

[stinkyshinpads]

2 City/County Championships for St. Joan Of Arc girls. 5th and 7th Grade
NICE JOB GIRLS

[soccernut]

wow I for one don't think the cyc leagues were formed for the wins and losses or trophy's but as usualy the case a few over competitive parents who live vicarelessly through their childs lives may bend the rules just for the glory. I was the president of our towns local soccer league which is rec and not cyc and our town teams play other local towns teams and we were all governed by a county association and one of the rules was that no team could have more than 3 select players on the roster which works well. I really don't think select players should play in rec/cyc leagues if there is enough kid's to form teams without them and not just for the fact of fairness but also because they play enough with their club teams why have them play and practice more when they will not get anything out of it but another trophy. I know it's fun for them to play with their friends but there are divisions for a reason rec/cyc are for kids who are not ready for select sports for one reason or another and I for one think the select kids should let them have there own league's. I am all for fun and fun for all not just a few. I am not saying all the good cyc/rec teams are trying to use select players to win but I am sure it does happen and probably will continue like it or not thats just my opinion

[clutch]

I am not saying all the good cyc/rec teams are trying to use select players to win

It's alright, you can say it. If you went to the city/county playoffs, lined all the teams up and removed all the select players, you might have 2 short sided teams and they could play for the championship. Keep in mind there are rules on select players, but when those rules were made select soccer was really select soccer and players were much better than rec players and fewer of them, there is also a CYC closed division that doesn't allow any select players, but you play against the open division, you could finish last, still go to the playoffs and win a city championship if you filed as a closed div. team.

[FrogMan]

Actually open/closed has nothing to do with select or non-select. It's an out-dated designation. By rule, if a player plays on another team for that sport, the team is classified as open. ie. play parish soccer & parent organizes team for school friends in sccysa rec league, now designated open team-even if a D level team/player. much manipulation goes on. how many teams only get their select players out for playoffs? at end of day--who cares about city/county? Teams should just be placed based on level of play for all to have good experience and scrap the tournament. they tell you it isn't competitive but then have a competitive overlay similar to state, regionals, nationals that's in usysa. quite a bit of hypocrisy for a faith based organization. don't get me wrong, program is important to area & local soccer but seems like many formerly strong programs (high # participants) are getting smaller--losing to new competitors. need to adjust to the times.

[FrogMan]

Actually open/closed has nothing to do with select or non-select. It's an out-dated designation. By rule, if a player plays on another team for that sport, the team is classified as open. ie. play parish soccer & parent organizes team for school friends in sccysa rec league, now designated open team-even if a D level team/player. much manipulation goes on. how many teams only get their select players out for playoffs? at end of day--who cares about city/county? Teams should just be placed based on level of play for all to have good experience and scrap the tournament. they tell you it isn't competitive but then have a competitive overlay similar to state, regionals, nationals that's in usysa. quite a bit of hypocrisy for a faith based organization. don't get me wrong, program is important to area & local soccer but seems like many formerly strong programs (high # participants) are getting smaller--losing to new competitors. need to adjust to the times.

[soccernut]

I am not saying all the good cyc/rec teams are trying to use select players to win

It's alright, you can say it. If you went to the city/county playoffs, lined all the teams up and removed all the select players, you might have 2 short sided teams and they could play for the championship. Keep in mind there are rules on select players, but when those rules were made select soccer was really select soccer and players were much better than rec players and fewer of them, there is also a CYC closed division that doesn't allow any select players, but you play against the open division, you could finish last, still go to the playoffs and win a city championship if you filed as a closed div. team.

wow I had no idea it was that bad, that makes me wonder how many cyc teams there would be if the club kids were not playing. I would think if someone would bring this topic up at a cyc board meeting ( I am assuming there is a board and they meet regularly) they would at least look into changing some rules unless without the club kids there would not be enough kids which I find hard to believe.